Who replaces Antoine as a starter? What teams do we know we are playing? How good will the MVC be? How good will the Jays be? How good will Doug be?
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Q- Who replaces Antoine as a starter? Chatman clearly, he has made good progress- not a big kid but really quick. We will be breaking in Yates next Fall Q-What teams do we know we are playing? Not exactly sure, we have a good tourney with Wisconsin/ Ark and will be seeing the return game from SDSU. Q-How good will the Jays be? Depends on how Nevin Johnson works out- obviously while we have some shooters in Jones and Jaheens on D we have matchup problems with more athletic long guards, Nevin is 6'5- We lost Calhoun juco so we'll see if we can find a slashing type to compliment our shooters. Front count will be super no doubt....watch out ! Zierden will be interesting as heard good thing about him, but not a real big kid-think he can go combo point if needed. Q How good will Doug be? He seems to have handled the attention really really well, the good news about him is his head in on straight, he knows there is still areas of his game to work on.....and NO DOUBT he and the entire team will take the Heels game as incentive to work work work...Big E was just unbelievable, he brings that kind of game and we'll absolutely dominate the Valley for sure.
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I can't wait to see how the new guys fit into the rotation. Nevin Johnson and Groselle are going to be huge for us I think. Is it November yet?
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Not sure about the return game with San Diego State as I thought that was part of the Mountain West/Missouri Valley Challenge. Am I correct or not?
Posted on 3/19 3:33 PM | IP: Logged
No return game, Boise State will be coming here as part of the MWC challenge.
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Jet you are correct, here's what I found
Away Cal Loyola Huskers Wisc/ Ark/ Arizona State in Vegas for tourney
Home St Joes Tulsa UAB Boise State
Hope Tulsa and UAB are better next year. At Cal will be fun- good program
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Originally posted by Jay4life: Q- Who replaces Antoine as a starter? Chatman clearly, he has made good progress- not a big kid but really quick. We will be breaking in Yates next Fall Q-What teams do we know we are playing? Not exactly sure, we have a good tourney with Wisconsin/ Ark and will be seeing the return game from SDSU. Q-How good will the Jays be? Depends on how Nevin Johnson works out- obviously while we have some shooters in Jones and Jaheens on D we have matchup problems with more athletic long guards, Nevin is 6'5- We lost Calhoun juco so we'll see if we can find a slashing type to compliment our shooters. Front count will be super no doubt....watch out ! Zierden will be interesting as heard good thing about him, but not a real big kid-think he can go combo point if needed. Q How good will Doug be? He seems to have handled the attention really really well, the good news about him is his head in on straight, he knows there is still areas of his game to work on.....and NO DOUBT he and the entire team will take the Heels game as incentive to work work work...Big E was just unbelievable, he brings that kind of game and we'll absolutely dominate the Valley for sure.
Does anyone know why we lost Calhoun?
Was it him or us?
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I think Akron comes to the Clink as well as part of BB.
Posted on 3/20 2:57 PM | IP: Logged
A few questions.
Those of you that have seen Mr. Yates play: Have you an opinion upon his speed and, more importantly, his comparative quickness? Another with quick moves such as Austin?
Any post season final thought on the status and season progression of Mr. Groselle and Mr. Johnson from those familiar with the team practices?
Tired of the tripe streaming over these sites. A little interest on the future of the program should be welcomed by all. Also, hope that there will be a little current info on recruiting developments drop out of the foilage.
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Vegas- here's a link about Yates in OWH- combo guy- shooter who can drive if need be but considers himself a playmaker 1st.
Have no inside info but heard that Nevin is very athletic and has good length, Groselle moves well for a big man and has the benefit of banging with Big E and Will for a year.
Originally posted by JohnTJays: Who replaces Antoine as a starter? What teams do we know we are playing? How good will the MVC be? How good will the Jays be? How good will Doug be?
A lot of good feedback already, but I'll weigh in on some of these:
- Chatman is the starter unless we land some sort fo JUCO star PG but I really don't see that happening as it isn't a high priority for us given what Chatman did this year. For my purposes, he's a guy who can be dominant at the position in the valley (watching him and Moore from ISU battle will be fun the next 3 years). He's also a guy who is strong, athletic and quick enough to match up to even top level teams in the tourney. He looked a bit overwhelmed against UNC, but still had flashes in the second half. I also seem to remember someone running into Ragland (WSU) at the Mo Valley tourney and he was of the opinion that Chatman woudl run the Mo Valley in the future.
- others have answered the schedule stuff. good to see the tourney on their over thanksgiving.
- MVC should be much like this year, but I'm guessing it will be a bit better overall. I think CU and ISU will be the dominant teams, but don't underestimate Northern Iowa, Drake and even Wichita (as they have some good, young athletes on that roster). SIU has a chance to be better if they hire a good coach, but next year will be rebuilding.
- Jays should be better overall. I would like to see a better record and a shot at winning the regular season and the tourney next year, but the big question to me is filling holes so they match up with tournament teams better than this year. The big weaknesses are IMO
- filling the PG void. We will have Chatman who I think will be solid, but we are missing the slasher, drive role that Young filled so much this year. When things go bad sometimes you just need someone who can handle and get to the basket. Yates has a bit more of that than Chatman IMO, but will just be a frosh. Nevin Johnson could have some of that, and Dingman's outside shooting and athleticism combo makes him another candidate. Other option would be finding a JUCO combo guard who can play the 2 and backup Chatman.. for instance. what would a Pierre Jackson type do for this roster? or someone a bit taller (Biggs?)
- Second big weakness is defense and offense on the wing. Dingman and N. Johnson both have ability here. We haven't seen Johnson, but he's supposedly the best wing defender on the roster and Dingman made big defensive strides this year, and giving him more offensive touches next year would allow him to blossom into a scoring threat as well. This is another area where we could see us reaching out for a JUCO guy.
- other than those our weaknesses aren't huge. I'd like to see Doug work on his wing skills more so he can take guys like Henson outside and make them play him on the perimiter. I'd like to see Artino work on high post skills so we can go big and have a tall guy to pass into Doug and/or Echinique in the post. Overall I want to see hard work on S&C and a more aggressive and attacking defensive posture this year (with chatman up on the PG on D that will help. Having Groselle could allow us to be more aggressive in playing post D with the extra fouls to give.
- Doug has a chance to take a big step forward again. I know.. hard to imagine him getting that much better, but I think he can and here is why. Last year he really upped his confidence and skill level in the U19 usa team, but I think it hurt him in a couple of things. One, he probably became even more of a post player/3-pt shooter and two, I really think he wore down a bit as the season went along. So what can he do this year to get better? first, S&C. he's a well conditioned athlete already, but he can easily gain another 10 lbs of muscle and get stronger in the post and when driving to the basket. Second, I want him to work on his wing skills. Better ballhandling for dribble/drive; mid range jumpers; passing off the bounce, and passing out of the post. When we play guys like Henson (I know there aren't many of them anywhere), I'd like to see him take that guy out on the floor and make them move to cover him. In the regular season, I expect his stats to look much like this year. In the NCAA tournament, I'd like to see more variety for more ways for him to dominate a game.
2011-2012 should be awesome...
Posted on 3/21 11:06 AM | IP: Logged
HuskerW: I think that's a reasonable analysis. From what I've read, don't be surprised if Nevin, Avery, Yates and Zierden each provide us with a little more slashing penetration next year.
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Just remember there is no chance to add anyone else to this roster. The team is at 13 scholarships now. You have 9 returners, two redshirts freshman, and 2 incoming Freshman. Doug is on an athletic scholarship not academic so 13 is the limit. Go Jays!
Posted on 3/21 8:31 PM | IP: Logged
So why is McDermott out looking at jucos???
Posted on 3/21 8:42 PM | IP: Logged
If it were me, it would be because I wouldn't feel comfortable having only Chatman and a true freshman at PG next year. While I think Chatman made progress this year, he's still light years away from being in command of his own game... let alone being able to command an entire team.
If we have to totally rely on him next year, he'd better have one helluva light bulb go on. JMO
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Remember that Athletic Scholarship are signed for one year.
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Originally posted by mredle: HuskerW: I think that's a reasonable analysis. From what I've read, don't be surprised if Nevin, Avery, Yates and Zierden each provide us with a little more slashing penetration next year.
I don't see Zierden as a slasher. He's a white boy that shoots 3's.
Posted on 3/21 9:58 PM | IP: Logged
Anybody know why we let Calhoun go? Or did he ask to be let go?
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mizzoujay, the word I heard is that Zierden can fill it up from outside but also that he is very clever making space to get off his shot in traffic and in the paint.
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Originally posted by mredle: mizzoujay, the word I heard is that Zierden can fill it up from outside but also that he is very clever making space to get off his shot in traffic and in the paint.
agree. the film i saw shows nice quickness. his jump shot will drive how defenders play him but when they overplay him on the perimeter he can get to the lane. he's not a statue who shots jumpers only.
he does need to gain some muscle to finish at the d1 level. so there's a chance he'll redshirt but his shooting is college ready imo.
he and Yates can both play pg and sg but i think Yates is a more true point right now.
Mac has a lot of options for the pg, sg, and sf position. it will be interesting to see how he sorts then out. my guess is that Chatman is the best ball handler, Gibbs us the best passer and will play the most. the rest will be up to who wins the time.
fwiw. i think that if dingman keeps working on his d and gets stronger in finishing in the lane he could be a pretty dynamic player for us.
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If you look at this roster, there will be tons of competition for PT. The only "givens" are GE, DM and GG. I don't even think AC is a given. But the competition for the back-up and 2 starters should be red-hot.
For the first time in a longggggggg time, every schollie player can PLAY... with the exception of Zierden. He'll probably RS but only because we have so much depth now. In years past, he probably would have played... and played quite a bit. I'm assuming Yates will play because he HAS to for depth.
Manigat, Wragge, Jones and Chatman (although the fact that they'll play is certain... how much is up in the air, I think) Artino, Grosselle, Ogini, Dingman, Johnson... wow, that's a lot of talent fighting for limited PT.
What a nice problem to have... on the other hand, it will be difficult to keep everyone happy. Mac is nearly back to where he was at ISU... "Managing talent".
Posted on 3/22 12:12 PM | IP: Logged
Originally posted by go_jays: If you look at this roster, there will be tons of competition for PT. The only "givens" are GE, DM and GG. I don't even think AC is a given. But the competition for the back-up and 2 starters should be red-hot.
For the first time in a longggggggg time, every schollie player can PLAY... with the exception of Zierden. He'll probably RS but only because we have so much depth now. In years past, he probably would have played... and played quite a bit. I'm assuming Yates will play because he HAS to for depth.
Manigat, Wragge, Jones and Chatman (although the fact that they'll play is certain... how much is up in the air, I think) Artino, Grosselle, Ogini, Dingman, Johnson... wow, that's a lot of talent fighting for limited PT.
What a nice problem to have... on the other hand, it will be difficult to keep everyone happy. Mac is nearly back to where he was at ISU... "Managing talent".
No doubt there is a ton of talent to work with, but on the surface, none of that talent will address our shortcomings we had against UNC (athleticism and size at the small forward / big guard positions that upgrades our rebounding and defense from that spot...is Nevin Johnson the answer?). I would see the following as being the starters and key backups next year:
PG - AC (I don't see Yates displacing him. The only scenario that would change AC as the starter would be a high end JUCO PG with some size) SG - GG (will his knees improve with more time (doubtful)) SG - JM (here is where I could POSSIBLY see Nevin Johnson stepping in to upgrade our defense, but since we haven't seen him at all, who knows. the size is definitely an upgrade...problem is we lose a shooter from this spot which would allow teams to sag more) F - DM (needs to add 10lbs and expand his mid range and dribble drive game) C - GE (would love to see GE drop 10lbs to get a bit more agility and quickness)
Key backups: Guards: JM (6'1"), JJ (6'1"), NJ (6'5"), AD (6'6"), AYates (5'11"), IZ (6'1") (redshirt)
Forwards: EW, Ogini (is he realistically good enough for pt?)
Centers: WA, GG
I'm fine with AC as our PG, but wish we had an big time PG or Combo G (with size) that could slash, defend and rebound from the position.
To me the gap on this team continues to be that we don't have a 6'6" or 6'7" REALLY athletic forward type that can slash and defend the more elite players that we'll face to get into the later rounds of the tournament.
I love our front court with combinations with Doug, Greg and Ethan (toss in Will and Geoff, but I can't see either getting much time in big games other than to spell the big 3).
I like our backcourt combinations we can throw out there, but can guys like AD become defensive minded to go with his substantial offensive game or does N Johnson have enough O to supplement his defense.
I'm still curious about Calhoun or is that a secret?
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Posted on 3/22 1:01 PM | IP: Logged
Coach Mac is out recruiting for next year. If he signs a JUCO who are you going to remove from the current roster so the JUCO can play in the 12-13 season. Any players signed in the late signing period removes a player from the team. Go Jays!
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Originally posted by seaninomaha1: Coach Mac is out recruiting for next year. If he signs a JUCO who are you going to remove from the current roster so the JUCO can play in the 12-13 season. Any players signed in the late signing period removes a player from the team. Go Jays!
A coach cannot use a school's tuition benefit for their children until they have been at that school for a certain number of years (4 or 5?). They can pay their child's own way.
Bottom line for us is that If we find someone we want who can contribute next year (a certain transfer looks like that kind of player...) we will find a way to fit them in.
Posted on 3/22 5:17 PM | IP: Logged
Where are you getting this nonsense. Mac can't pay for Doug?? What country are you in? Coaches are parents. They can pay $40000 if they want to. Anyone can. It's America. Jeez. They signed Tevin for crying out loud. They were over ... Could be still if they like a kid this spring. Think guys...
Matt You are correct that Mac could pay Doug's way. The problem is if you bring anyone else in you must also look at minutes. Unless the recruit is one who can make a major impact that won't disrupt team chemistry then yeah bring them in and pay Doug's way. If it is a one and done player I would hope Creighton would pass as next season could be a special one for this team. These players have a chemistry that may be more important that a super talented player or just more important than trying to fit one more player on that bench. Go Jays!
Posted on 3/23 8:41 AM | IP: Logged
Like I said in another thread... Mac is now back to "managing" and not just "coaching and development". It's a gift. We know he can "coach and develop". Let's hope he learned some lessons from the ISU debacle and can "manage". I think he can. We'll see.
And if we really want to be a Top 20 program, he'll have to at least become a "capable" manager. Because he can't get there without having competition at every position, IMO.
I've also seen him listed as 6'2" in a lot of thes Dayton sports updates. Wonder which is closer to correct Rivals at 5'10" or Dayton updates at 6'2"?
6-2 might be pushing it, but he seemed taller than 5-10 in the video I saw this year. Maybe 6-0 or 6-1?
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Gee, in the video I saw he only looked a couple of inches tall, of course I only have a 15" monitor.
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Originally posted by IndianaJay: Remember that Athletic Scholarship are signed for one year.
Creighton should be good in 2012-13.
PG - by committee and young, with Sophomore Chatman and true frosh Yates. Young will be missed, but hopefully Chatman's NCAA experience will pay dividends in time. Yates is familar with NCAA Tournament coming from Dayton. He sounds motivated to play for CU.
Dingman is a player I am really excited to see develop, after getting good mintues as a frosh.
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